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The missing Pycon presentation...

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posted 2006.02.28 Tue
This screencast should've been a presentation at Pycon. It does a relatively decent job comparing and constrasting J2EE, ROR, Zope, TG, and Django. I talked to a handful of people at Pycon who said they would've enjoyed a panel discussion with the web framework creators discussing pros/cons and future areas for collaboration.... (Warning, it's a 400MB download...)

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1. Jacob Kaplan-Moss left...
2006.03.01 Wed 10:33 am :: http://jacobian.org/

I should point out, though, that his version of Django was a little outdated, and his impressions of it had a few inaccuracies. Django's got excellent i18n support, and for a while now it's been able to use it without a database.

Still, as long as someone's not using J2EE, that's a win for all of us dynamic-langauge freaks :)


2. Lawrence Oluyede left...
2006.03.02 Thu 3:30 am :: http://www.oluyede.org/blog/

Your presentation is very funny and great. Thanks a lot :)


3. kpd left...
2006.03.02 Thu 9:15 am :: http://powertwenty.com/kpd/blog

Matt,

What a revelaing *and* entertaining screen cast. I've sent links to 4 others and used a quote from it already today. Thanks for posting the link.


4. Matt left...
2006.03.02 Thu 10:31 am

As much as I'd like to take credit for this, I should be clear that this is NOT my screencast.

Again, it's too bad this wasn't at Pycon. It would've been nice to present this and have all the framework creators there as well.

He should include Pylons as well, since it appears that TG is probably going to morph into what Pylons is.

Perhaps Oreilly should get this guy for Oscon. Though the python contingent will be smaller, you'd have lots of ROR and J2EE folks.... (hint hint...)


5. ztinger left...
2006.03.03 Fri 3:29 am

please make it available theough video.google.com so it can be also stripped down in file size


6. Mark Ramm left...
2006.03.03 Fri 3:04 pm :: http://www.compoundthinking.com/blog

His version of TurboGears is also a little bit old too. If he was running on the now current 0.9a1 release, he could easily have finished the app more quickly with less lines of code if he used a DataController which autogenerates a simple CRUD interface for you. And if his needs were too specific for the DataControler widget he could have used individual form filed widgets to make manual form layout better and easier.

We also have internationalization and support for easily implemented authentication/authorization.

But even with all that, TurboGears is going to require more code than Plone or Django, because isn't designed for creating auto generated forms, but for maximum developer flexibility and productivity when creating full web applications.

Oh, and a slightly larger app that tested Ajax support in the various frameworks would also be interesting. I know TurboGears support level is pretty good, but I don't know how that compares with the other frameworks out there!